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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/10/2003 11:03 am  
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  714.1  
 
Halloween Info: 2003 Version 


Halloween a night filled with Folklore, Superstition, Fright, and Fiction, but it does not have to be that way! Every Day and every Night belong to the Lord Jesus Christ and Halloween is no exception!

Christians everywhere are rejecting Halloween's message of Death, Disobedience, and Despair and instead are using this opportunity to proclaim the Truth about God's Love for mankind and about His Biblical plan of Life, Hope, and Salvation for us in Jesus Christ.

Following is an Excellent Resource to many Christian Halloween explanations and resources.

http://www.BasicChristian.org/halloween.html 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/13/2003 2:04 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (2 of 37)  
 
  714.2 in reply to 714.1  
 
Hi David. Halloween is a TRULY evil time of year. 
- it is a time when Christians should be holding serious 

prayer-meetings...NOT having paganized parties and watching 

the latest horror flicks. ! 




Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* THUS: Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * YOUR RESPONSE is the crucial issue in the sight of GOD. (it always has been) 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ See: Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN "...FAITH that WORKETH by Love..." and GRACE that is made manifest BY FRUIT. - "faith without fruit is DEAD, being alone." 




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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/13/2003 7:47 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (3 of 37)  
 
  714.3 in reply to 714.2  
 
Hi,

 

Excellent Point!!!

 

We as Christians need to break free of the ways of this world and Halloween with all of the Evil that it promotes and stands for has got to be an easy and obvious place to remove ourselves from.

 

I really respect the Churches and groups that are having the alternative Harvest Festivals that thank God for Gods providing for our lives, its much Better than the creepy death stuff.

 

God Bless You,
David



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From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/14/2003 3:43 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)     
 
    
 
Here's something a friend posted over on another forum. 
I thought it was a good, sound overview: 

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com for the following article. 

The History of Halloween 

Our Pilgrim forefathers well knew of Halloween's occultic roots. In fact they banned celebrating Halloween in America. Halloween was not celebrated in this country until 1845. At that time multiplied thousands of Irish emigrants flooded into New York because of the Irish Potato Famine of 1845-46. They brought with them the old Druid holiday of Halloween. 
Gradually celebrating this day spread throughout the rest of the country. 

Now, to understand Halloween better we must go even further back. I found that the original celebration was not called by its present name, Halloween. But, it began long before Christ among the ancient Celtic peoples (Britons, Gauls, Scots, Irish). 

They observed the end of summer with sacrifices to SAMAN (Shamhain). He was "the lord of death and evil spirits". This marked the beginning of the Celtic New Year. 

A Note About Saman 

Depending on your source material, the Druid lord of death and evil spirits was called Saman, Samana, Shamhain or Samhain. His "holiday" was called "The Vigil Of Saman" or Samhain (pronounced so-wein). You probably have seen a modern day version of SAMAN without even knowing it. This pagan god was shown as a ghostly, skeleton holding a sickle in his hand. He later came to be known as THE GRIM REAPER. 

More About the History of Samhain (Halloween) 

Ralph Linton in his book Halloween Through the Centuries, says "The American celebration (of Halloween) rests upon Scottish and Irish folk customs which can be traced in a direct line from pre-Christian times. The earliest celebrations were held by the DRUIDS in honor of Shamhain, lord of death, whose festival fell on November 1st." 

Searching other sources, I have this information to add: 

The Celts considered November 1st as being the day of death because the leaves were falling, it was getting darker sooner and temperatures were dropping. They believed Muck Olla, their sun god, was loosing strength because Samhain, lord of death, was overpowering him. 

Further, they believed that on October 31st Samhain assembled the spirits of all who had died during the previous year. They had been confined to inhabit animals' bodies for the past year as punishment for their evil deeds. On the eve of the feast of Samhain, October 31st, they were allowed to return to their former homes to visit the living. 

Supposedly to protect these people, Druid priests led the people in diabolical worship ceremonies 

in which horses, cats, black sheep, oxen, human beings and other offerings were rounded up, stuffed into wicker cages and burned to death. 

This was done to appease Samhain and keep the spirits from harming them. 

The Druids 

Who were the DRUIDS? They were occult practitioners, witches of sorts. In the century preceding the birth of Christ, Caesar conquered the Britains and he records very carefully the account of the DRUID PRIESTS (early witches)..."All Gallic nations are much given to superstition...they either offer up men as victims to the gods, or make a vow to sacrifice themselves. 

The ministers in these offerings are the Druids, and they hold that the wrath of the immortal gods can only be appeased, and man's life redeemed, by offering up human sacrifice, and it is a part of their national institutions to hold fixed solemnities (Ceremonies) for this purpose." 

I looked deeper to see if I could find the dates of these "fixed solemnities." In the series edited by 
Richard Cavendish called, Man, Myth and Magic it says, in volume 6, page 720, "...the pagan Celts in Northern Europe held two great fire festivals each year -- Beltane on the eve of 1 May and Samhain on the eve of 1 November -- to mark the beginning of summer and winter." I also came across an article written by Robert Graves in the Daily Telegraph Magazine, May 21, 1965. Graves said the fixed worship days are the "cross- quarterly days-Candlemas (February 2nd), May Eve (April 30th), Lammas (August 1st) and Halloween (October 31st). 

When they got together on these pagan worship days they would meet in a grove of trees (preferably oak trees) or in a Druidic stone circle, the most famous surviving circle being located in Stonehenge, England. It is evident that human sacrifice was common at this ancient Druid Sacrificial Circle because within three miles of this sight there are over 350 funeral mounds that contain the remnants of countless human sacrifices. 

Holiday researcher George Douglas adds some interesting information when he says "Many of Halloween's customs are derived from the ancient Baal Festivals. Other customs originate from the taking of omens from the struggles of victims in the fires of druidic sacrifices." (From: The American Book of Days, by George William Douglas revised by Helen Douglas Compton). 

Alexander Hislop in his book, The Two Babylons, says, "The god whom the Druids worshipped was Baal, as the blazing Baal-fires show --- We know that they offered human sacrifices to their bloody gods. We have evidence that they made `their children pass through the fire to Molech, and that makes it highly probable that they also offered them in sacrifice; for, from Jeremiah 32:35, compared with Jeremiah 19:5, we find that these two things were parts of one and the same system." 

Further, it is to be noted that the "priests of Nimrod or Baal were necessarily required to eat of the human sacrifices; and thus it has come to pass that `Cahna-Bal, (Cahna is the emphatic form of Cahn which means `a priest) meaning the priest of Baal, is the established word in our tongue for a devourer of human flesh." (from The Two Babylons, Hislop. See page 232). 
Though the name of their gods were changed Hislop believes that the Druids practices were rooted in Baal worship, which is condemned in the Bible. 

The Pathetic Paradox of Christians Celebrating Halloween 

It's no wonder that a onetime witch of our day, Tom Sanguinet, former high priest in the Celtic tradition of Wicca (witchcraft) said, "Halloween is purely and absolutely evil, and there is nothing we ever have or will do that would make it acceptable to the Lord Jesus." 

Owen Rachleff amplifies this when he wrote, "Halloween can be, and to many is, a deadly serious affair. [It] originated with pre-Christian Druids or Celts in Northern Europe, who marked the year by four seasonal festivals. The autumn feast took place on November 1st. 

Early Christians, desiring a part in the traditional festivities, created All Saints' Day to coincide with the pagan rites. Satanists--acting true to form--reversed the Christian procedure. Because November 1st was All Saints' Day (All Souls' Day, November 2nd, memorializes the dead), Satanists established October 31st as and "All Demon's Night." As surely as the Christian martyrs and saints dominated their own holiday, so did the demons permeate the preceding evening. 

All Hallows' Eve predictably became a time of spells, curses, and horrors for those who did not believe, but for the Satanists, particularly the witches, it was a joyous festival and major sabbat. 

So it remains in a diluted form, ironically celebrated by Christian society far more vigorously than All Saints' Day." 
(Quoted from The Occult Conceit - A New Look at Astrology, Witchcraft and Sorcery, by Owen S. Rachleff, from page 189-190.) 
Historically, Halloween is obviously and totally a pagan, occultic worship day. 

There is NOTHING Christian about the day. Pause for a moment. 
Dig beneath the candy. What is the primary focus of Halloween, 
even in our day? I see a three fold focus... 1) DEATH 
2) FEAR & HORROR 
3) EVIL, THE DEVIL & THE OCCULT. 

There is absolutely NO Christian significance to be found in Halloween. Instead, CHRISTIANS should be holding prayer meetings 
for the lost and countering the influence of witchcraft and 
the occult! 

================= 

Shalom 
and all the best. 

Len 



~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* THUS: Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * YOUR RESPONSE is the crucial issue in the sight of GOD. (it always has been) 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ See: Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN "...FAITH that WORKETH by Love..." and GRACE that is made manifest BY FRUIT. - "faith without fruit is DEAD, being alone." 




==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/14/2003 1:25 pm  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (5 of 37)  
 
  714.5 in reply to 714.4  
 
Thanks,

I added the Halloween link to the web site's Halloween Info page.

Kind of a Spooky article hugh!

God Bless You,
David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
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From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/15/2003 12:35 am  
To:  ALL    
 
    
 
  
In a recent study on the Power of Christ, I have come to realize that this power is greater than the power of Satan.  Make no mistake, Satan has power, but that power is limited and does not supercede the Power of Christ.  Anyone who has been born again and Spirit filled has the Power of Christ.  

Just look at the Power of Christ:

First, there are four properties to describe the Power of Christ:

1.                 The Power of Christ is able to subdue all things to Christ:  Philippians 3:21

2.                  It has s upreme power:  Ephesians 1:20-21

3.                  It has unlimited power:  Matthew 28:18

4.                  It will be specially manifested at his second coming. Mark 13:26 and 2 Peter 1:16

Second, the function of the Power of Christ: 

1.                  It controls the church body.  Ephesians 1:22

2.                  It destroys the works of Satan. 1 John 3:8

3.                  It is exemplified in creation. John 1:3; John 1:10; and Colossians 1:16

4.                  It gives eternal life.  John 17:2

5.                  It gives spiritual life. John 5:21 and John 5:25-26

6.                  It performs miracles. Matthew 8:27; and Luke 5:17

7.                  It has power over all things.  John 3:35

8.                  The Power Christ  is glorious:  2 Thessalonians 1:9

9.                  His power is everlasting:  1 Timothy 6:16

10.             His power can and does raise the dead. John 5:28-29

11.             The wicked will be destroyed by the Power of Christ. Psalms 2:9; Isaiah 11:4; Isaiah 63:3; and 2 Thessalonians 1:9

12.             The Power of Christ upholding all things. Colossians 1:17; and Hebrews 1:3

13.             The Power of Christ will subdue all other powers. 1 Corinthians 15:24

Third, the Authority of the Power of Christ:

1.                  Over angels, authorities, and powers:  1 Peter 3:22

2.                  Has authority over all flesh:  John 17:2

3.                  The Power of Christ forgives all sins. Matthew 9:6; Acts 5:31

4.                  The Power of Christ provides salvation for all who ask. Isaiah 63:1; and Hebrews 7:2
 


         

 
From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/15/2003 11:13 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (7 of 37)  
 
  714.7 in reply to 714.6  
 
Yes. GOD is going to bring satan and his little kingdoms 
of darkenss to UTTER ruin someday.....and I think, frankly, 

that time is coming very soon. 

Shalom 
and God bless. 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 




==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/19/2003 8:36 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 37)  
 
  714.8 in reply to 714.1  
 
I am g oing to be scorned for having a different veiw. But I'm going to say this. 
the "Chicks" and "Tacts" are rude. Trying to convert people against their wills. Give the kids candy. If you don't want the kids to come to your door, keep your porch light off. There is nothing evil about Halloween. Shure, its the Pagan new year, but Pagans are not evil. Halloween is a time for fun. Not everyone goes out and egg and TP houses on Halloween. Honostly. And not all costumes are evil either. 

May I point out that CHristmas has pagan routes, so does the Christmas tree? Druids used to tie apples on trees, wich later became the beloved ornaments. 

Food for thought. WHile your at it, condem all other religions. Since most Christian religions do have Pagan roots.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/20/2003 7:29 am  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (9 of 37)  
 
  714.9 in reply to 714.8  
 
Hi,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

From your post it appears that we are doing the right thing because we are attempting to get rid of the Paganism that has tainted Christianity for so many years, you should be happy that we are presenting a more pure Christianity and are not being mingled and tainted with your paganism.

 

Halloween is an excellent opportunity to hand out tracts. Every year this debate comes up and every year I say that it is better to give people the gift of life in Jesus than to just give them a clump sugary candy that is not really all that beneficial.

 

Also every year the surprising intolerance of non-Christians is put on display as so called tolerant people writhe in agony over the thought that somewhere good deeds are being done in the name of Jesus.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/20/2003 11:47 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 37)  
 
  714.10 in reply to 714.9  
 
May I ask, how would you feal if a pagan gives a cartoon trying to convert your child to their religion? 
You would be ticked off, wouldn't you?
 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/20/2003 2:32 pm  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (11 of 37)  
 
  714.11 in reply to 714.8  
 
Hello Wolf,

In the time when Christianity was in its infancy, pagans ruled the world along with their demi-gods.  It was a religion that changed as the seasons changed, by every wind of doctrine that each demi-god could provide.  It was spread throughout all the known earth at that time.  Every culture had its deities that claimed great signs and wonders through their deities.  However, when Jesus entered upon the scene teaching His powerful doctrine, the course of religion took a different route.  Jesus was a radical Jew, yet maintained a joyful and peaceful demeanor about Himself.  He did not force anyone to believe, just spoke the truth and the truth moved so powerfully upon the Jews and eventually upon the Gentiles that they became known as Christians, that is, Christ followers.  

St. Paul spread the gospel to the pagan world.  It was not forced upon anyone, it was just spoken with the power of Christ and the pagan world turned upside down.  Now the early Christians did not all have their wits about them, they did not all move with the power of Christ.  Some of them took a little info and perverted it through mixing it with paganism beliefs.  These people have caused a huge rift in the religion of Christainity, still to this day.  

What this web site is trying to do is separate fact from fiction in the Christian belief system.  You have a problem with Christians trying to purify their beliefs from paganism through education. As Christians we have a right to inform our brethren to have them educated with the truth and to have them take it to the Lord in prayer for verification.  It is not forced upon them or you.  However, it is reinforced by the power of Christ and if it feels like force it may be perhaps that you are being given some mercy and grace by God to have you see the err of your ways.  It is called conviction and not force.  It is your choice to read chick tracts or leave them alone.  Or visit this site and receive the truth or leave the site uneducated.  Either way, it will be your decision to stay or go, but you will not be able to troll here and spout off in an effort to cause problems.  ~Minister Falcon   

 

         

 
  
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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/20/2003 5:20 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (12 of 37)  
 
  714.12 in reply to 714.11  
 
I just stated my mind, Minister. I am of no mind of starting a fight. I am not a troll. My religious belifs may differ. But that don't make me a troll now, does it? 
and I'm defenently no mind of starting a fight at this moment, since I am, mourning the loss of a pet.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/20/2003 5:46 pm  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (13 of 37)  
 
  714.13 in reply to 714.10  
 
Hi Wolf Song,

 

Sorry to hear about your loss of a pet.

 

From a Christian perspective almost every electronic moment of every day is a pagan tract. Meaning that at school, evolution, philosophy, and pagan values are taught as fact the same goes with TV, Cable, Internet, and Movies so for the Christian we have a few small chances to present our values and of late Halloween has become a good night for us to compare and contrast our values with.

 

Many Children are scared by Halloween and the freight that goes with it and do prefer the comfort and peace that Jesus offers.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/20/2003 6:07 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 37)  
 
  714.14 in reply to 714.13  
 
who said evelution is a "Pagen" value? certantly isn't mine. the sceintific theorys such as Darwin's evelution belongs to the athiests. TV and Cable are full of lies about the Pagan faith. Eather giving a fluffy version. (like in Charmed) or a unneccesarrily evil version. (Like in Hocus Pocus) 
there are real dangers from halloween from hudlums that put razor blades in apples and taint candies. That's why it is wise to cheak a young one's candy for any tampering. Because of hudlums who will try to frighten childeren, it's also smart to trickortreat in groups with a grown up. 

I accompany my cousen during trick-or-treating, and evan if a candy wrapper looks tampered, although it may have been a accedent by a honest person, out of the stash it goes. 

Would it be more Christain and helpful to warn others of the dangers that's not religion based perhaps? you'd get alot less resentment from other religions. Just a suggestion. *shrug*
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/20/2003 6:30 pm  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (15 of 37)  
 
  714.15 in reply to 714.14  
 
Thats highly admirable what you do.

 

From my prospective some of the little trick or treaters will grow up to be the scary types so it is a good plan to give them the light of the gospel of Jesus during a dark night and then some day in their future if they find themselves in trouble or in over their head either physically or spiritually-demonically, then there is always the hope that they will remember Jesus and call out to Him for His saving protection.

 

I have handed out tracts on Halloween, when I have been home (sometimes Im at the Church Harvest events or teaching a Bible study). I greet everyone kids and adults and give out candy and tell them that this is a Christian tract about the love of Jesus or something to that effect and it has never ruined anyones night and I cant recall a single person who was upset and I do remember many people, parents and children who are delighted to get it and to have Christians living in their neighborhood and felt it is a good, safe, and caring, gesture.

 

I think two reasons why people are so ok with Christians giving out tracts is that.

 

1. It shows that caring loving people who care for them are in their neighborhood.

 

2. People know that they are there asking for something for nothing and they realize that it took time, money, thought and effort to get the tracts together and the tracts have a Halloween theme so it fits right in with the night.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/20/2003 7:23 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 37)  
 
  714.16 in reply to 714.15  
 
that's some. But are you for shure it's from soely trick or treating? Or could be there something else in their lives that made them turn down that path? Alot of practicers of "Pagan" religions are very very good people. I have met many that understand me better than any one else. 
Bad people run across every religion. There's mudslinging on both sides. (some people worse than others) I'm not here to flame or defame the Christain faith, for I have this little saying. 

"All religions are connected, if you trod apoun one, you in turn, trod apoun your own" 

Some food for thought. Before you get your tails in a knot, can you do me a favor and think about this for a moment? ;)
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/21/2003 7:45 am  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (17 of 37)  
 
  714.17 in reply to 714.16  
 
Hi Wolf Song,

 

For someone who isnt here to flame and bash Christianity you are doing a major feat of it because there is nothing that Christianity can do right in your eyes except roll over and submit to your pagan ways.

 

In Christianity God became a human and died for us on the cross! There is nothing else even remotely similar in any other religion to the Christian love of God! There was no compromise in the Cross of Jesus and therefore we Christians need not compromise in the truth of Christianity and water it down with other false religions such as your own make it up as you go along Pagan ways.

 

Sorry, but thats the way it is. Some of us like to live in the light and some of us like to walk in the truth of God it is just that way.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/21/2003 10:04 am  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (18 of 37)  
 
  714.18 in reply to 714.12  
 
Wolf,

Don't miss understand me, I did not accuse you of starting a fight nor being a troll.  I said quiet clearly this posting's agenda which is to inform our brethren the truth about Holloween, for it is 'hollow' not hallowed [meaning blessed]] I gave a brief history of the connection between paganism and Christianity; talked about the difference between force and conviction; and finally, I will quote my final message:

It is your choice to read chick tracts or leave them alone.  Or visit this site and receive the truth or leave the site uneducated.  Either way, it will be your decision to stay or go, but you will not be able to troll here and spout off in an effort to cause problems. 

I did not call you a troll, but told you not to proceed in the action of a troll.  In essence troll means to move round and round a subject getting no where. You have demonstrated your ability to troll with the postings you have had with David.  

Wolf, you may not understand what I am about to tell you but you are deceived into thinking that you are not responding like a troll.  I believe you are trying to correct a group of Christians who want to be separate from paganism, remove it from doctrine which has infiltrated their belief system.  In just the few messages you have posted here, you have demonstrated to me that you are a novice pagan.  I was a pagan and will tell you I know exactly where you are coming from and where you are going.  And where you are going is not going to be pleasant at all, but full of torture forever and ever with no reprieve. 

You know the truth deep down that paganism is wrong and the right way is God's way, that is to follow Jesus Christ.  God has given you plenty of chances to get it right with Him and you have shrugged Him off.  Well, He is not going to give up on you, but you constantly reject Him. Those pretend powers and pretend gods can do nothing for you except get you deeper and deeper into sin and iniquity.  It is your responsibility to seek God on your knees and repent of your sins and turn away from those pagan lies and beliefs.  They are not your true beliefs but vain thoughts that have been tricking you into believing a lie. Come back to your Father, and leave all this paganism in the dirt where it belongs.  Turn to the Almighty God who has the power to save you and bring you to look heavenward for His help, instead of downward in shame.  For shame is where your life is headed and condemnation and death of your soul reigns.  Now you think about this.  Check out the Occult Recovery Room for more truth about the occult, paganism and new age beliefs.  You will get the truth there.  Click on it below. ~Minister Falcon

 

         

 
  
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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/21/2003 3:38 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 37)  
 
  714.19 in reply to 714.17  
 
I seen christanity do plenty right, David. I've seen the bad too. Same way with Paganisim. I just don't agree on the stance taken on Halloween, that is all. 
  
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   From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   10/21/2003 3:46 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (20 of 37)  
 
  714.20 in reply to 714.18  
 
yep, I am confused, but I wanted to state my opinion, not start a fight. I'm not here trying to convert you either. 
Think opinions as candies. One candy after one type of candy, gets boring. Wouldn't you think? But if there was a jumble of candies, it'd be more interesting. 

Because my opinion differes, this descussion is a bit more interesting, is it not? 

and about this "hell" thing, I still belive in it. I have seen it. What bad I've been through is too graphic for posting. After that, I decided to break free and discover new paths. 

Then, I was Christain. 



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 From:  Aaron (jedinerd)   10/21/2003 4:33 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (21 of 37)  
 
  714.21 in reply to 714.17  
 
Little known historical irony: Halloween began as a holiday that the Roman Catholic Church appointed that Pagans opposed on the grounds that they felt it was the roman Catholic Church forcing a Christain Holiday on them.... 

Don't beleive me, do some reading on the origins of holidays. 

Since Christmas was moved to the 25th of Decemeber..... 

Which previously was trditionally the time for a celebration ot a pagan Goddess, I guess by your logic we should probably stop celbrating Christmas until we can figure out which day it was originally and have it reinstated then, correct? 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/21/2003 7:08 pm  
To:  Aaron (jedinerd)   (22 of 37)  
 
  714.22 in reply to 714.21  
 
Hi,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

Halloween is not a Christian Holiday it is an event and I say a good event for handing out Christian tracts.

 

Christmas is a holiday as it is about Jesus and true the exact Birthday is unknown and I think for the reason that the Resurrection Sunday (Easter) is the Bibles key Holiday/Feast day.

 

I have an outline of the Bibles 8 Holiday/Feasts days that we are required to observe, and which we dont so go figure.

 

www.BasicChristian.org/jesuswalk.html

 

Yes the Church does need to get some things back in order.

 

Thanks again for you post.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aaron (jedinerd)   10/21/2003 7:42 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (23 of 37)  
 
  714.23 in reply to 714.22  
 
Do any of these people hold degrees in archeology? 
The sources I'm going off of all hold Doctorates. 

Including doctorates in Christian Theology. 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/21/2003 8:09 pm  
To:  Aaron (jedinerd)   (24 of 37)  
 
  714.24 in reply to 714.23  
 
Hi Aaron,

What people are your inquiring about?

 

A Doctorate in Theology especially from a humanist University or humanist standpoint is not overly impressive

 

I guess that my point is that people with Doctorates and other degrees built and sailed the Titanic while people with no degrees built and sailed the Ark.

 

Do let me know what you are asking about and I will try to answer it.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aaron (jedinerd)   10/23/2003 9:47 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (25 of 37)  
 
  714.25 in reply to 714.24  
 
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I did some digging.... 
Theology professor in question worked at Southern Methodist University, while the Archeologist in the article was attached to Brigham Young University. 

Both religously oriented private Universites. 

The thing is that most people forget it's often good Christians who do most of the archeological work. 

People with a faith in Jesus Christ that can sometimes put even other likminded indivduals a little off guard. 

And their the ones who claim that the roman Catholic Church introduced Halloween as it is today. 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/23/2003 11:21 pm  
To:  Aaron (jedinerd)   (26 of 37)  
 
  714.26 in reply to 714.25  
 
Hi,

 

Thanks for the information.

 

After His resurrection Jesus appears to His disciple John and told him to write seven letters to seven Churches that have been established in the Galatian (modern day Turkey) region. In each of the seven letter are various areas of praise for each church and areas of criticism for each church and it is still that way today that each individual church fellowship is doing some things right and each has some wrong practices as well. You can read the seven letters in the first four chapters of the book of Revelation.

 

Certainly introducing Halloween all souls night with its mixture of local and pagan practices was a mistake for the church. I do think the modern church Harvest festival that is an attempt to replace Halloween in the Church with a Harvest  Thanks Giving, attitude is much better.

 

God Bless You,
David 



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/24/2003 9:20 am  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (27 of 37)  
 
  714.27 in reply to 714.20  
 
Wolf,

Are you saying that you are following Chirst's doctrine now?  Because that is what a real Christians does, he follows Christ in ALL His ways.  There is no one who can get into heaven without the sanction of Jesus Christ.  

Paganism is any religion other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism.  Pagans are people who believe in more than one god. They do not acknowledge the God of Israel, Christianity, or Islam.  Some modern day pagans call themselves Wiccans.  Pagans are quick to emphasize that they do not worship Satan or the devil since they believe that the devil is a Judeo-Christian concept.  They do not accept the concept of absolute evil nor do they worship any entity known as Satan or the Devil. 

The Bible's view concerning the worship of other gods is deception by demons who influence the pagan worshipper, as it states in 1 Corinthians 10:18-22.  

18        Observe Israel after the flesh: Are not those who eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 

19        What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? 

20        Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. 

21        You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demons. 

22        Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy?  Are we stronger than He? 

 

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From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/24/2003 9:34 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)     
 
    
 
Hi David,

I just finished a study on Is it Halloween or Holloween as I called it.  I did a lot of research, it took me several weeks to complete this.  Just wanted to tell you that actually all of our holidays that we celebrate including Thanksgiving correspond to pagan holidays.  

Somewhere along the line the Catholic church designated All Hallowmas, All Saints' Day, and All Souls' Day [which all honor the dead] as days of observances and mass.  

By 43 AD, Romans conquered the majority of Keltic territory.  In the 400 years of rule over Keltic lands, two Roman festivals were combined to the festival of Samhain [pronounced sow-en] celebrated on the eve of October 31st.  The night of Samhain [sow-en] was called All Hallows Eve that eventually was called Halloween.  The first festival was in late October called Feralia, when Romans commemorated the passing of the dead.  The second festival celebrated Pomona, the goddess of all fruit trees, which explains the tradition of bobbing for apples.  These influences are inferred from the use of nuts and apples as traditional Halloween foods and from the figures of witches, black cats, and skeletons commonly associated with the occasion.  

In 601 AD, Pope Gregory I issued a decree to his missionaries concerning the native beliefs and customs of the peoples he hoped to convert.  When the papacy couldnt get rid of Keltic belief system they joined in with it, attempting to appease the people rather than God.  Rather than try to obliterate native peoples' customs and beliefs, the pope instructed his missionaries to use them:  if a group of people worshipped a tree, rather than cut it down, he advised them to consecrate it to Christ and allow its continued worship.  It was his belief that he could add people to the Christian faith.  Figuring that this belief was a brilliant concept, it became a basic approach used in Catholic missionary work.  In many cases, church holy days were purposely set to coincide with pagan holy days.  Appeasement and being the salt of the earth are not the same.  The actions of the papacy made an appeasement with the pagan devil; they chose the way of evil rather than the ways of God.  You can not compromise with God or with Satan.  Had they not taken matters into their own hands and had they followed Gods instruction instead, evil may not have escalated as it has in this subject matter.


In the 7th century, Pope Boniface IV designated Nov 1st as All Saints Day, honoring dead saints and martyrs, still allowing the festival of All Hallows Eve to be celebrated.  In the fourth decade of the 8th century, Pope Gregory III assigned this date for celebrating the feast when he consecrated a chapel in St. Peters basilica to all the saints.  In 835, Pope Gregory IV decided to move the practice of All Saints' Day to correspond with the Keltic practice of Samhain [sow-en].  The Mass said on this day was called Allhallowmas meaning the mass of all the holy ones.  The evening before All Saints' Day became known as All Hallow e'en meaning the evening of all the holy ones.  So you see the name Halloween is actually combined Christian and pagan beliefs.  It is derived from All Saints Day.

In 1000 AD, the church made Nov 2nd All Souls Day, a day to honor the dead.  It was celebrated like Halloween with big bonfires, parades, and dressing in costumes as saints, angels, and devils.  These three celebrations together, the eve of All Saints, All Saints Day, and All Souls Day were called Hallowmas.  Its roots are religious being that is it the vigil of Hallowmas or All Saints Day, November 1st which is observed by Roman Catholics and Anglican churches.  In Latin countries the evening, of October 31st is observed only as a religious occasion, but in Great Britain, Ireland, and the United States , ancient Halloween pagan customs persist alongside the religious observances.


 

 
From:  Brenna (brenna27)    10/28/2003 8:42 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (29 of 37)  
 
  714.29 in reply to 714.9  
 
<<<we are attempting to get rid of the Paganism that has tainted Christianity for so many years,>>>

I have to say that I disagree with your viewpoint about Halloween, and I think it's a terrible tragedy that this last great community celebration is being allowed to die in our generation. 

I have written a great deal about the connection between paganism and Christianity.  Long before there was a Christ, there was a God.  The people of Britain celebrated and worshiped that God.  Then, after the birth of Christ, St. Patrick came to give them the good news.  But Patrick recognized and understood what was sacred and holy about the traditions they had and incorporated them into what became the Church of England and which were then adopted centuries later by other Christian sects.

I don't believe that there was cynicism or even pragmatism involved in the great works of St. Patrick.  I believe that he was a brilliant true Saint who truly understood the divine and sacred and wove the best parts of multiple traditions together.  For people today to suggest that the ancient customs are evil simply because they predate Christ is contrary to the teachings of our great Saints.

Halloween, or Hallow's Eve, the Eve of All Saints Day, is one of the holiest days of the year.  It is the day when we remember the saints who have gone before us, and the dead whom we have loved.

It is only natural that on a holiday (holy day) for the remembrance of the dead, that children indulge in a bit of silliness about death and the terrors that death may hold for us.  But for adults to then look at that and call it "evil" is a terrible tragedy.   Perhaps in another hundred years over-zealous Christians will call Christmas evil.  It would make just as much sense.

Centuries ago there were many community gatherings and celebrations, for harvest and Midsummer, and May day, and countless other festival days.  Now, the one and only true community festival we have remaining is Halloween.  Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years--those are all family days, which can be celebrated at home whether or not the rest of the community is involved.  Halloween requires the involvement of the entire community, and once it is dead, like the other festival days which are only distant cultural memories, we will never be able to bring it back.

It grieves me that when I am an old woman, my great grandchildren will gather around me and say, "Tell us again about Halloween and how you used to dress up and run from house to house and people gave you candy."  They will ooh and ahh and look with wide eyes, barely able to imagine a world in which neighbors celebrated together, in which children could knock at every door and be assured of a welcoming smile and a treat.

 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/28/2003 9:05 am  
To:  Brenna (brenna27)    (30 of 37)  
 
  714.30 in reply to 714.29  
 
Hi,

 

Interesting comments.

 

Halloween is a ruined night, not because of Christianity but because of what Halloween itself represents and stands for. Halloween stands for death, deceit and destruction so of course sane people are not going to participate in going to strangers houses to possibly get deceived by poison candy or some other vile action.

 

And I do have to point out that Christ is God. Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation, the revealing of the ever existing God our creator. So your post is completely inaccurate to define Christianity as an invention of Christ. Christ/God founded Christianity! Christianity didnt invent or change God.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/30/2003 2:19 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (31 of 37)  
 
  714.31 in reply to 714.30  
 
very true. but only those "born from above" will understand 
or appreciate any of these truths. 

God bless. 



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* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! *

* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 



--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * 
* HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 

- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!




VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS: ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progression of sanctification. 




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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} for it is an ETERNAL TRUTH. 
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Nov-1 1:18 pm  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (32 of 37)  
 
  714.32 in reply to 714.12  
 
I'm sorry your pet died.   Wanna talk about it?  I know how hard it is, and discussing our lost, little pets is pretty helpful usually.  I know it has helped me when my little dog, Gilda, died.   She was such a sweet-hearted doggie.

As for your initial post, you have to realize this is a Christian forum, right?

 
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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   Nov-1 4:38 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 37)  
 
  714.33 in reply to 714.30  
 
Pardon?? Thats why I've been saying in every post here that to cheak candy for tampering. Not everone gives out poision candy! 
  
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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   Nov-1 4:41 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (34 of 37)  
 
  714.34 in reply to 714.32  
 
I know, but I came in no intention to flame or harrass. Just to state my veiws respectfully and not be flamed. Maybe listen to someone else's opinions and not get so mad about them. I calmed down though. 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Nov-1 6:15 pm  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   (35 of 37)  
 
  714.35 in reply to 714.34  
 
I'm glad for that.  :)   How are you doing otherwise, concerning your loss and all?   What sort of pet was he/she?
 
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  From:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd)   Nov-2 11:54 am  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (36 of 37)  
 
  714.36 in reply to 714.35  
 
Her name was Squeaky. she was my brown and white guneapig. cute to bits. She was given to me after my dog died, by a teacher. So that's why she's so special 
Now a new gunea pig shares my home with me. his name is Ozzy. Black as the Ace of Spades.
 
  
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   From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Nov-4 10:55 am  
To:  Wolf Song (Celticswynd) unread  (37 of 37)  
 
  714.37 in reply to 714.36  
 
I'm sorry about Squeaky.  :(  

My eldest daughter has a guinea pig.  She began with two a few years ago, and I let her breed them.  They had 4 babies, [one died at birth, though we don't know why].  Later, the parents contracted some sort of respiratory illness, which the vet couldn't fix.  So they both died.  :(   It was a difficult time for her, indeed.  [Then, my daughter sold the two boys--Cyrus and Angus-- and kept the girl, 'Olive.'  (she looks like a little black olive! :) ]

anyway, piggies are sweet and lovable little darlings.  And just like other pets, when we lose our wonderful friends to death, it is hard.  I'm glad you have your new 'Ozzy.'

I hope you both are doing well.   :)

Amy

 
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